are you suggesting that -- or was it just a slip of the tongue that maybe john boehner and that republican leadership, that they don't believe in the country? >> no. you know, the members of congress who i know in both parties are patriotic. they love the country. but we've created an incentive system that gets you knocked off in your primaries, you know, unless you are willing to be intransigent and to say, "i will never compromise." you know, richard murdoch beat dick luger in indiana by saying, "i will never compromise." you know, bill, thank goodness he wasn't at the constitutional convention. we wouldn't have a country today. >> how did we incentivize obstinacy? >> well, one of the things that's happened is that the ideologues in both parties have really started focusing on the primaries, because we have a system, you know, 46 of the 50 states, if you lose in your party's primary, your name cannot be on the ballot in november. after joe biden became vice president and delaware had to elect a new senator, so, mike castle, obviously, was going to be the next senator, everybody knew that